you put them in walmart and that way you can kill the factories that remain in the united states of america. between 2000 and 2010, the first decade of this century, we lost 55,000 factories and five to six million manufacturing jobs. that's what's happened to the manufacturing sector. but i'll tell you what's coming now. it's going to happen to the public sector unions as well. >> it used to be a little bit different, though. at least when you're negotiating with the private sector, you've got shareholders to deal with on the employment side. with the public sector, it's been on a level playing field because the ones negotiating want you to vote for them so they have an incentive not to play hard with you. >> like in wisconsin. here's what happened. the unions go and they get a good democratic liberal candidate and they say we're going raise all this money for you. they raise it for him and he wins the election. and then the union guys come into the government and say we'd like to negotiate with you now on what wages we get. and so you don't have competition. you don't have an atmospheric